What Causes A Blatty Lower Register On Trumpet

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Herb the Horn Regular Fellow member Joined: 07 Sep 2008 Posts: 70 Location: Princeton, Noo Joisey	Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:12 am   Post subject: French horn low register Is there anyone out there who has experience with the low register on the French horn? I haven't seen any writing past Reinhardt on this discipline. The French horn has a small mouthpiece but plays well below the range of the tenor trombone without extension. Hornists generally driblet their jaw for low notes and most have a suspension around Chiliad below the staff, concert C (horn music is in F). This is contrary to Reinhard's teachings. Indeed, dropping the jaw causes bug, including tonguing problems. I take found that post-obit the Reinhardt method has helped me a lot, and lessons from Dave have been invaluable. My high range has improved. Nonetheless, while I do not have a suspension around G beneath the staff, it is non a stable notation. Everyone? _________________ CORdially Herb Foster
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Olinhannum Regular Member Joined: 02 Nov 2011 Posts: 34	Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 eight:52 am   Post discipline: Main Horn player hither. Commencement off, I'll say that G below the staff is consistently ane of the worst notes on the instrument. Non in the same mode that certain notes are bad on trumpet. When a particular notation is is a bad 1 on trumpet, it typically plays out of melody, simply is otherwise a regular note. The written low Thou on horn, while as well ofttimes out of tune, just feels unstable. You often times accept to homo-handle it with lip and air to get it not to play in tune necessarily, but just to get information technology to hold pitch at all, then utilize your hand to arrange pitch. If it'southward the tonic (as information technology often is because of old marches in concert C), I ever advise fingering it 13 on the Bb side, which is the compromise I've plant works best for me. Trouble that french horn is unlike trumpet, who'south primary design characteristics take remained more or less the same for a century. Horns are made of all kinds of different wraps, that autumn into different categories, and have different blows, feels, weak and strong notes. And so what works corking on my horn at my gigs may autumn well short on and at yours.
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Doug Elliott Heavyweight Member Joined: 10 Oct 2006 Posts: 925 Location: Silver Leap, MD	Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 ix:xvi am   Mail subject field: I have worked with a few horn players very successfully to get the low range to open without dropping the jaw. But I'm non a horn player so I don't know the idiosynchrasies of the intrument. One thing I've never understood is why horn players insist on the traditional size mouthpiece when the horn range is really no unlike from trombone range. Information technology would be so much easier on a larger rim.
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PivotBone Veteran Member Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Posts: 429 Location: Amherst Massachusetts	Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:34 pm   Post subject: Doug, maybe y'all should make some "better" horn mouthpieces... BTW, the XT mouthpiece you sent me is great! Much amend for me than the LT!
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Herb the Horn Regular Member Joined: 07 Sep 2008 Posts: seventy Location: Princeton, Noo Joisey	Posted: Thu Sep thirteen, 2012 1:27 pm   Post subject area: Olinhannum wrote: ... Problem that french horn is unlike trumpet, who's chief blueprint characteristics have remained more or less the aforementioned for a century. Horns are made of all kinds of different wraps, that fall into different categories, and have unlike blows, feels, weak and strong notes. And then what works groovy on my horn at my gigs may fall well curt on and at yours. Really? the French horn is unlike the trumpet??!! I accept analyzed the problem--after all, I am a retired research engineer. It'south partly a problem with the horn and partly my chops. If you accept played a natural horn in F, you may annotation that that annotation is solid. Even a valvectomy horn is amend. I remember that a node falls in the valve cluster and doesn't know where to be. When you play the note on the Bb side 1-3, the node falls in a better place. That doesn't work on my horn, a Knopf wrap Finke. My chop problem is that at piano dynamics the buzz is full-bodied in the center, where information technology should be. As I crescendo, suddenly the fizz is spread across the mouthpiece. On lower notes the buzz is across the mouthpiece at all dynamics. At college notes the buzz is concentrated. Notes a third higher and lower accept some of the problem. I judge I need to strengthen my chops to smoothen the transition. _________________ CORdially Herb Foster
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Herb the Horn Regular Member Joined: 07 Sep 2008 Posts: lxx Location: Princeton, Noo Joisey	Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:twoscore pm   Post subject: Doug Elliott wrote: I have worked with a few horn players very successfully to get the depression range to open up up without dropping the jaw. But I'm not a horn player and so I don't know the idiosynchrasies of the intrument. 1 thing I've never understood is why horn players insist on the traditional size mouthpiece when the horn range is really no dissimilar from trombone range. It would be so much easier on a larger rim. The shape of the French horn mouthpiece is part tradition and office mystique (translation: BS). However, the French horn's specific audio is partly a event of its built-in inefficiencies. If you made a horn mouthpiece more trombone-like, the horn might sound more similar a trombone! According to the famous hornist Barry Tuckwell, the but thing that's worse than a horn sounding like a trombone is a trombone sounding like a horn. You know the jokes. Doug, let me know when y'all are in Central New Jersey. Maybe you lot could requite me a lesson. Dave has certainly helped me on high range and endurance. _________________ CORdially Herb Foster
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airdyn Heavyweight Fellow member Joined: 07 February 2003 Posts: 579	Posted: Friday Sep 14, 2012 8:46 am   Post subject: Herb the Horn wrote: Doug Elliott wrote: I take worked with a few horn players very successfully to get the low range to open up without dropping the jaw. Only I'thousand not a horn player so I don't know the idiosynchrasies of the intrument. One matter I've never understood is why horn players insist on the traditional size mouthpiece when the horn range is really no dissimilar from trombone range. Information technology would be so much easier on a larger rim. The shape of the French horn mouthpiece is office tradition and office mystique (translation: BS). However, the French horn'southward specific sound is partly a effect of its congenital-in inefficiencies. If you made a horn mouthpiece more trombone-similar, the horn might sound more than like a trombone! Co-ordinate to the famous hornist Barry Tuckwell, the only thing that's worse than a horn sounding like a trombone is a trombone sounding similar a horn. You know the jokes. Doug, allow me know when you lot are in Central New Bailiwick of jersey. Peradventure you could give me a lesson. Dave has certainly helped me on loftier range and endurance. Herb, Please let all who read your posts and challenges that you have those brusk lower teeth. That is important information that Doug or anyone else coming on this topic may want to know. Dave South. _________________ www.airstreamdynamics.com
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Herb the Horn Regular Member Joined: 07 Sep 2008 Posts: 70 Location: Princeton, Noo Joisey	Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 ix:51 am   Postal service discipline: airdyn wrote: Herb, Delight let all who read your posts and challenges that you accept those brusk lower teeth. That is important information that Doug or anyone else coming on this topic may desire to know. Dave S. Thanks, Dave, y'all're right. I exercise take those "short stumpy lower teeth" with a long (but not thick) lower lip relative to the space. Dave has classified me as tongue-type Iii. I need to support my lower lip with my tongue, since the lower teeth don't. I don't know if the curt lower teeth is germane to my depression annals problem. I suspect that my sparse lips are. At rest I have no blood-red showing, although when I form an embouchure, there is enough carmine showing that I place the mouthpiece on the border of the lower crimson. With regard to a mouthpiece in the trombone range, that big size certainly wouldn't work. I can't fit one between my olfactory organ and lower jaw without opening wide. _________________ CORdially Herb Foster
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razeontherock Heavyweight Fellow member Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 10610 Location: The land of GR and Getzen	Posted: Lord's day Sep 16, 2012 xi:43 pm   Postal service discipline: At that place'southward a LONG mode betwixt standard sizes of french horn and trombone mouthpieces. If you had a french horn shaped mouthpiece, on a larger ID, you might get a gorgeous sound and find it much easier to play everything except high notes?
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